The Bias of the Event & it's Reflection on the State of RP

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I get that the people writing the lore and such have a vision for how they want things to pan out, and its only instinctive to have such.
But some of the shit that happened during this last event was so fucking ridiculous.
I'll start with day 1.

The siege was great, the betrayal was kind of a surprise thought it didn't feel like it made sense IC.
Then personally I saw shit starting to go sideways when Ehfsan (Wulf) was captured right after announcements spammed 'CW off' like 20 minutes after fighting had stopped.

That could've slid, it wasn't the end of the world, though it felt odd and really started cracking at the immersion of the experience.
Day 2 was the skirmish where Alladhar's host took a load of prisoners, it was great gameplay. Personally I felt IC it wasn't supposed to happen the way it did, in that no commander would be that fucking stupid, but clearly I over-estimated Herodium and Dias.
Whatever, Herodium I can pass but Dias playing Artemois? IC he's supposed to have been fighting Alladhar and his rebels for months, yet he seems completely oblivious to their tactical doctrine and the kind of force them employ.

That was dumb but I guess you could take that IC since compared to the metaphor earlier, RP isn't so much as one person writing a book as it is a bunch of mates doing improv. What completely busted the experience for me was the 'escapes' which occurred. I think a couple of the prison breaks were done properly IC and role-played, but some of them were batshit insane, the first one being Wiglaf/Hubert leaping over a wall while wounded, going down the waterfall, walking to the fishing dock, taking a boat, turning it around, and rowing all the way back to the harbor, of course I doubt he rolled for any of this.
That could be forgiven, cuz yknow, he's RPing some Rhudan generic dude. But when Dias, a Senior Admin who is playing an Event Faction Leader, waits for me to log off after I was IC watching the prisons for 5 hours, and logs on after hearing kingsman was KOed.


Somehow making matters even worse, he posts doctored logs to make it looks like I was goldfarming (which there is no point to do on a fucking EC):
What he posted:
00:02:32 - Artemisios_Anastasios has joined the game with ID: 4184588 and has administrator rights.

00:03:20 - Artemisios_Anastasios joined Tagma Osteoforon VI Sharizia (5).

00:03:22 - Artemisios_Anastasios had these items: H:-1, B:-1, G:-1, F:-1, HO:0, 1:-1, 2:-1, 3:-1, 4:-1, Gold:940

00:03:28 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported to player Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (2885277).

00:03:32 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

00:04:06 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

00:04:08 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:10 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

00:04:26 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

00:04:28 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:31 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:34 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:35 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:36 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:37 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:38 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:39 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:40 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:41 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:42 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:47 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:49 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:55 - Artemisios_Anastasios would tell him to stop goldfarming

00:04:57 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

00:05:18 - <img=ico_headshot> Artemisios_Anastasios

00:05:34 - Artemisios_Anastasios has left the game with ID: 4184588

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The actual logs:

00:02:32 - Artemisios_Anastasios has joined the game with ID: 4184588 and has administrator rights.

00:03:20 - Artemisios_Anastasios joined Tagma Osteoforon VI Sharizia (5).

00:03:22 - Artemisios_Anastasios had these items: H:-1, B:-1, G:-1, F:-1, HO:0, 1:-1, 2:-1, 3:-1, 4:-1, Gold:940

00:03:28 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported to player Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (2885277).

00:03:32 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

00:04:06 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

00:04:08 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:10 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

00:04:26 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

00:04:28 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:31 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:34 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:35 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:36 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:37 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:38 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:39 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:40 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:41 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:42 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:44 - Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser would tell the turkish rapechild to stop OOC

00:04:47 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:49 - Artemisios_Anastasios (FID: 5) attacked Khalid_Sayf-Al-Aser (FID: -1) with fist dealing 0 damage.

00:04:55 - Artemisios_Anastasios would tell him to stop goldfarming

00:04:57 - Admin Artemisios_Anastasios (4184588) teleported forwards.

And if you'd like to confirm, go ahead and check logs and you'll see that after this instance he logged off from Artemisios and went onto his SA account until I happened to log, then hopped back onto Artemisios.
The escape itself was pure autism as you'd expect from him, apparently he stuck his chainmail into lock in an attempt to break it, but in order to do that he'd have to do that while the door was unlocked, and I sincerely doubt there was any emote or roll for detection of such an act by whoever was at the prison.
Then assuming he's not detected and he succeds at breaking the lock, he has to either escape right at that instance or everyone who locks/unlocks the door would have to roll to realize the mechanism has been sabotaged. Did they roll? Of course not.
So there's a 1 sided RP here, with meta-gaming involved, and he has the balls to say he was logging on the moment I stopped being the warden to 'look for RP' and not because Gamble OOCly told him he was gonna break him out above.
wlodsforge.proboards.com/thread/2860/complaint-fail-meta-prison-break
How the fuck is this guy an SA?

He logged off Artemisois after getting captured a second time and hasn't logged on since, IC he's still in the cells and hasn't done shit since being captured a secound time, just because Dias doesn't wanna play him anymore.

Anyway, 3rd day the Sturgian Unit arrives, I heard some exagerations on how OP they were, but really they weren't all that, I thought it added an interesting mix to the fighting dynamic, but the fact that most of the people playing the Sturgians were also FLs/ECs on the same side (Herodium, Dias, usual suspects), was pretty ridiculous, especially when one of their characters got KOed they'd hop on the other.

Now some of the balance was being sorted out today, but there was a clear OOC bias with a determination to make them loose because some people wanted the story to go that way. The Host had a single prison break from the city, while the Imperials had no less than 10 in total.
That is ridiculous without saying. Shit was reaching peak heat today and I'm glad the event climaxed because there was so much OOC shit being thrown at each other I'm glad what could be salvaged was...
Except it wasnt...
Wlod, bless his heart, saw the potential for RP in Alladhar's capture and death and accepted CK at the hand's of Mato, leading to some of the most amazing un-scripted drama and fighting I've seen in any game ever, for all of it however, when they went to attack the Keep, the Host was told they weren't allowed to Keep Assault. They head back to the Chiefdom's fortress, and shortly after things are calming town I walk out of the keep to find Sturgians with axes breaking down our front gate. We weren't even told that the Keep Assault was allowed.
At this point they realize there's no way we can't siege Carafan once and for all. So they mount an offensive and push them back to the Palace gates. The defenders got pushed back so hard they didn't even get to close the gates, and it was over within minutes.

Then after the intense action, its announced to redo the entire scene for some fucking reason because 'KA not approved' even after Sturgians bum-rushed our prison with 2h axes.
As the scene is paused nearly every defender who was wounded in this scene starts jumping off walls to get to a rowboat to get their asses out of the city, all of this OOC given that the scene was paused and that they were jumping off a 50ft high battlement onto rocks.

Despite it all somehow they were unable to beat Alladhar & Friends. If I took away one things from this whole event its that Wlod is the beating heart and soul of this server and you should all strive to be impartial as he is in his RP, like seriously Dias wouldn't even let me give him a HAIRCUT on his EC but we're accepting CKs in the middle of no-where unceremoniously.
I hope we don't see another OOC war like this, but if anyone wants that to be the case a lot of shit is going to have to be changed.

To perfectly show the bias however, let me compare two scenarios;
Dias escaping at 5AM, Taken IC
Some Aserai raiding the city (not the Palace or Order) at 5PM;

Aug 1, 2019 20:11:28 GMT warwick said:

Hey,

So first thing's first, I don't know where you got the idea that attacking the city is allowed. There's """""supposed""""" to be a lot of guards holding the gate and the walls at all times ICly, and I'am positively sure that in this situation it counts as KA. Feel free to prove me wrong about this as I'm not really up to date with event practices at the moment.

I have been told Seltan has voided the scene because of this.

There has gotta be a standard, you can't bend that standard one way or another, it's gotta be constant.
And this is why we can't have admins who've some ideological basis for not only their RP, but the direction they want the scenario to go.

I don't hate anyone I mentioned by name in this thread, I had some fun RP with them all (except for Wiglaf ofc), I just wish the scene itself didn't have to give so many concessions for people's cringe-worthy egos.

[peculiar buckberg]

idk what to tell u attacking the city is the same as attacking the courtyard of the fort

wlod himself said on day one that we cannot attack the city because no keep assault is approved

but of course there's always someone willing to bend hard facts

here's what future events have to do:

- get hardstuck people to the sides, no more "reinforcements" and no spontaneous event characters, both sides have their numbers, main characters stick to the plot, aka important people shouldn't be making event characters, the only time reinforcements should be allowed is when they're significantly weaker than the main force and they do not have the huge risk of heavily affecting the balance of the battle

for example, if alladhar is losing because his main force IC-ly is composed of dogshits, he shouldn't be hard-winning the next day because 5 native sweatretards joined him as horse archer tincans

here fits the example of the 2nd day where the caravan got fucked

i'm sorry but there is no way ever that u were going to win that if surkan was on rasheed, fighting alongside imperials instead of event_character_ownage

- respect ur keep assault definitions and rules

- stop the retarded prison breaks and fail rp

people want to get out to rp

the only rp u get in a prison cell is /me torture and /me spits on him

what kind of a human being goes nuts on some captured guys with heavy wounds

- have alternatives ready to ur script

if alladhar gets captured, what do u do next? there was no alternative to this and the only thing they came up with was LOL CHARGE NO KEEP ASSAULT !!!!!

or

if the tagmata gets wasted what do ?

the alternative was BRING MORE CHARACTERS !!!!!!!

[Chysis]

I'm sure it'll be reviewed but my interpretation is the faction keeps (The Palace, Cathedral and Argbed's fort) are deemed hard safe zones as faction keeps typically are. The city itself works similarly to how everyone's favourite Kuchlerburg worked in Krenn 1 (after the rules were clarified nearer to the end of the scenario) - fighting can erupt inside and outside of the walls and flow inside, but breaking the gates is illegal and scenes are somewhat monitored to make sure people aren't trying to loophole the rules. Butler designed the scenario and this is what I recall was decided upon as the result of numerous discussions before the start of the scenario due to the map's intentional design.

The scenes in this respect flowed well. A tense skirmish was coordinated with the arrival of supply carts to lead to a situation with multiple objectives and an uncertain outcome. Skirmishing led to battle, and in such Alladhar was captured and was slowly being taken across the map. The Alladharites rallied to counterattack, fighting the rear of the "Good guys'" column every step of the way. When they reached the city, there were combatants everywhere on both sides of the walls, the fighting continued and they saw Alladhar being taken into the city. The gates were never closed nor barred and thus combat continued into the city. I can understand the confusion regarding the scene, but it flowed and, to my knowledge, the KA rules were adhered to in this situation. It may've been poorly communicated, but I wouldn't say it was wrong. It was an impassioned, all-or-nothing moment for the Alladharite side in which we wholly expected to lose. The victory in the city was somewhat of a fluke and the Allaharite side only won due to the KOing of many of the stragglers who were left outside of the city during the Carafanites' retreat and due to a very well-timed and risky push.

After this, a handful of remaining Alladharites searched both the Magisterial Palace and the Rhudanite keep. Their intent was to find Alladhar and they did. He was dead, we discussed what to do with the event as a staff team before deciding to just roll with the situation due to the fluidity of what had happened.

[matoflen]

I'll clarify 2 things about the 'KA' on Alladhar's fort and the escape from '50 ft tall wall'.
So firstly about Papadopulos leading charge on Fort, it was pretty much a suicidal one in order to save everyone, as Alladhar was dead, so ICly it made sense to Papadopulos thinkking that it would be all over now, as he finished his task, yet wanted to something good again, eventually falling down and passing away.

About the escape? We've escaped that way once, during that rebellion with Bassguri. And it's not 50ft tall, you've got stone steps there that you can simply drop off and it's literally just few feet between each stone slab.

And event itself? Flav summarised it pretty well. Personally I didn't really enjoy the RP on it, as it felt that there's no 'progress' in our action as it feels like find some ching-chongs when you capture one, two more spawn in with the same equipment. Especially during their attack on Palace. I'm almost sure that we KOed about 16 of them, yet atleast new 10 people came in and joined the fight. Ontop of that the mighty 'warlord' was slain, yet that apparently makes no difference as the Aserai don't really care about their supreme leader and just live their lives in Caraf.

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Aug 2, 2019 7:05:56 GMT matoflen said:

I'll clarify 2 things about the 'KA' on Alladhar's fort and the escape from '50 ft tall wall'.
So firstly about Papadopulos leading charge on Fort, it was pretty much a suicidal one in order to save everyone, as Alladhar was dead, so ICly it made sense to Papadopulos thinkking that it would be all over now, as he finished his task, yet wanted to something good again, eventually falling down and passing away.

About the escape? We've escaped that way once, during that rebellion with Bassguri. And it's not 50ft tall, you've got stone steps there that you can simply drop off and it's literally just few feet between each stone slab.

And event itself? Flav summarised it pretty well. Personally I didn't really enjoy the RP on it, as it felt that there's no 'progress' in our action as it feels like find some ching-chongs when you capture one, two more spawn in with the same equipment. Especially during their attack on Palace. I'm almost sure that we KOed about 16 of them, yet atleast new 10 people came in and joined the fight. Ontop of that the mighty 'warlord' was slain, yet that apparently makes no difference as the Aserai don't really care about their supreme leader and just live their lives in Caraf.

I kinda have to agree with mato here, no one rps caring for alladhar or his leadership, people insult his leadership and Namira thinks he can start arresting the leadership now Alladhar is dead. It makes no sense IC to make -peace- with the imperials as they will come back to kill us anyway. Yet the person who plays Namira is making dicisions and that will eventually leave us killed.


The problem here is this: they kill Alladhar, yet wr cant do anything back by cking anyone because: Im a FL SO IM IMMORTAL. Like come the fuck on.

[Chysis]

Aug 2, 2019 7:05:56 GMT matoflen said:

About the escape? We've escaped that way once, during that rebellion with Bassguri. And it's not 50ft tall, you've got stone steps there that you can simply drop off and it's literally just few feet between each stone slab.


Ontop of that the mighty 'warlord' was slain, yet that apparently makes no difference as the Aserai don't really care about their supreme leader and just live their lives in Caraf.

To the former, Butler mapped it intentionally as an escape route that it's ICly plausible to drop down from. I believe there should be some risk involved in doing so whilst wounded, but that's a minor point.

Regarding the latter; the Alladharites were a mixture of people fanatically devoted to his ideals, some fortune seekers, and just... people. He was revered as a great leader by his people and a lot of them are mortified to see him gone. The aftermath and consequences of his death will likely pan out across and into the future. It varies from person to person, but almost the entire cause is deeply saddened by his loss.

[matoflen]

Aug 2, 2019 7:30:48 GMT @captainjack said:

Aug 2, 2019 7:05:56 GMT matoflen said:

I'll clarify 2 things about the 'KA' on Alladhar's fort and the escape from '50 ft tall wall'.
So firstly about Papadopulos leading charge on Fort, it was pretty much a suicidal one in order to save everyone, as Alladhar was dead, so ICly it made sense to Papadopulos thinkking that it would be all over now, as he finished his task, yet wanted to something good again, eventually falling down and passing away.

About the escape? We've escaped that way once, during that rebellion with Bassguri. And it's not 50ft tall, you've got stone steps there that you can simply drop off and it's literally just few feet between each stone slab.

And event itself? Flav summarised it pretty well. Personally I didn't really enjoy the RP on it, as it felt that there's no 'progress' in our action as it feels like find some ching-chongs when you capture one, two more spawn in with the same equipment. Especially during their attack on Palace. I'm almost sure that we KOed about 16 of them, yet atleast new 10 people came in and joined the fight. Ontop of that the mighty 'warlord' was slain, yet that apparently makes no difference as the Aserai don't really care about their supreme leader and just live their lives in Caraf.

I kinda have to agree with mato here, no one rps caring for alladhar or his leadership, people insult his leadership and Namira thinks he can start arresting the leadership now Alladhar is dead. It makes no sense IC to make -peace- with the imperials as they will come back to kill us anyway. Yet the person who plays Namira is making dicisions and that will eventually leave us killed.


The problem here is this: they kill Alladhar, yet wr cant do anything back by cking anyone because: Im a FL SO IM IMMORTAL. Like come the fuck on.

okay i know that you are playing a super devoted nationalist that doesn't care about anything and is here just because of his mental illness of wanting to kill everyone but think of it icly for a moment that a lot of these people are just regular people that were persuaded by Alladhar's vision to be free again

but he died and these people have families or goats or whatever the fuck they have and they maybe want to live rather that going suicidal like you?
and im glad that namira is making the calls cause you'd just end the scenario

[matoflen]

Aug 2, 2019 7:31:43 GMT Chysis said:

Aug 2, 2019 7:05:56 GMT matoflen said:

About the escape? We've escaped that way once, during that rebellion with Bassguri. And it's not 50ft tall, you've got stone steps there that you can simply drop off and it's literally just few feet between each stone slab.


Ontop of that the mighty 'warlord' was slain, yet that apparently makes no difference as the Aserai don't really care about their supreme leader and just live their lives in Caraf.

To the former, Butler mapped it intentionally as an escape route that it's ICly plausible to drop down from. I believe there should be some risk involved in doing so whilst wounded, but that's a minor point.

Regarding the latter; the Alladharites were a mixture of people fanatically devoted to his ideals, some fortune seekers, and just... people. He was revered as a great leader by his people and a lot of them are mortified to see him gone. The aftermath and consequences of his death will likely pan out across and into the future. It varies from person to person, but almost the entire cause is deeply saddened by his loss.

I'm not actually sure if there was anyone wounded, aside of Yalcin who in the end didn't get on the boat, as most of people that dropped there, were the ones that remained in the keep for the last stand.

[Deleted]

Aug 2, 2019 5:45:20 GMT peculiar buckberg said:

idk what to tell u attacking the city is the same as attacking the courtyard of the fort

wlod himself said on day one that we cannot attack the city because no keep assault is approved

but of course there's always someone willing to bend hard facts

here's what future events have to do:

- get hardstuck people to the sides, no more "reinforcements" and no spontaneous event characters, both sides have their numbers, main characters stick to the plot, aka important people shouldn't be making event characters, the only time reinforcements should be allowed is when they're significantly weaker than the main force and they do not have the huge risk of heavily affecting the balance of the battle

for example, if alladhar is losing because his main force IC-ly is composed of dogshits, he shouldn't be hard-winning the next day because 5 native sweatretards joined him as horse archer tincans

here fits the example of the 2nd day where the caravan got fucked

i'm sorry but there is no way ever that u were going to win that if surkan was on rasheed, fighting alongside imperials instead of event_character_ownage

- respect ur keep assault definitions and rules

- stop the retarded prison breaks and fail rp

people want to get out to rp

the only rp u get in a prison cell is /me torture and /me spits on him

what kind of a human being goes nuts on some captured guys with heavy wounds

- have alternatives ready to ur script

if alladhar gets captured, what do u do next? there was no alternative to this and the only thing they came up with was LOL CHARGE NO KEEP ASSAULT !!!!!

or

if the tagmata gets wasted what do ?

the alternative was BRING MORE CHARACTERS !!!!!!!

We got surkan we win easy surkan please carry us, surkan please win this. Dude 2v1 on Surkan and he is gone he is norhing in a teamfight. You might think he is the best player on the server but once he gets beat he bans them for autoblock.

Simply put: Surkan is a good player, in a 1v1 maybe, but once you have 2 people that dont have 100 hours in the game and you 2v1 him he is down. At the end of the assault we still had like 12 people left, including me out of all people in the front line. I dont think 1 Surkan with a bit of tin couldvd won that fight for you. Meanwhile you also got us surrounded at one point while I was being hit in the back. I still managed to escape because atleast 1 Aserai saw I needed help.

And if you think im dumb for saying this we can proof it.

[Michael]

There was no prison break. The amount of words you people type oocly to get what you want ic is actually insane. I would like to ask you how you acquired those logs @fireraze

As of the fact that Namira seeks peace @captainjack : it does make sense, you're just not familiar with the character at all if you dont. Nobody's forcing your host to listen to her, and you could remove her from leading you at any time. Your leaders passed away and the entire reason for this war is over, hence why peace is sought.

I'll be discussing the metagaming you provided in the screenshot with other staff and will get back to you on that. I ask, just like on any other thread, that the community gets to discuss this properly. Considering everyone is involved in this event, I'll allow people to post ad long as they make actual points and dont just complain because they can.

[Deleted]

Aug 2, 2019 7:37:20 GMT matoflen said:

Aug 2, 2019 7:30:48 GMT @captainjack said:

I kinda have to agree with mato here, no one rps caring for alladhar or his leadership, people insult his leadership and Namira thinks he can start arresting the leadership now Alladhar is dead. It makes no sense IC to make -peace- with the imperials as they will come back to kill us anyway. Yet the person who plays Namira is making dicisions and that will eventually leave us killed.


The problem here is this: they kill Alladhar, yet wr cant do anything back by cking anyone because: Im a FL SO IM IMMORTAL. Like come the fuck on.

okay i know that you are playing a super devoted nationalist that doesn't care about anything and is here just because of his mental illness of wanting to kill everyone but think of it icly for a moment that a lot of these people are just regular people that were persuaded by Alladhar's vision to be free again

but he died and these people have families or goats or whatever the fuck they have and they maybe want to live rather that going suicidal like you?
and im glad that namira is making the calls cause you'd just end the scenario

Maybe you havent realized that my character is bluffing and threatening to scare them. He toys around with the prisoners. The only one he wants to kill is Artaozus because he betrayed fhem first day of the assault. Pay more attention to detail to what my char is doing, emotes and such. You clearly dont see that Askham is just a joker about -killing you all- meanwhile I gently put flav back in his cage as he continues to walk out, im literally smirking at people and telling them ill kill them to watch them be scared. Id you paid any attention to my emotes and talking youd know im not here to kill them all.

[Chysis]

Aug 2, 2019 7:43:21 GMT @captainjack said:

We got surkan we win easy surkan please carry us, surkan please win this. Dude 2v1 on Surkan and he is gone he is norhing in a teamfight. You might think he is the best player on the server but once he gets beat he bans them for autoblock.

Simply put: Surkan is a good player, in a 1v1 maybe, but once you have 2 people that dont have 100 hours in the game and you 2v1 him he is down. At the end of the assault we still had like 12 people left, including me out of all people in the front line. I dont think 1 Surkan with a bit of tin couldvd won that fight for you. Meanwhile you also got us surrounded at one point while I was being hit in the back. I still managed to escape because atleast 1 Aserai saw I needed help.

And if you think im dumb for saying this we can proof it.

The guy's blocking was robotic and was enormously above his other skills. There were telltale signs in the footage recorded and it looked like probable auto to me.

Arguing about how good a player is at the game is just childish and fruitless. He's good at all aspects of the game and has a fast playing style that kills people quickly. Good players that can kill quickly and multiblock with good footwork and awareness can genuinely change the course of a fight. It's not like you can just drop someone into any situation and automatically win but an aggressive tincan that knows what they're doing can be a huge problem in fights.

Either way, it just doesn't matter. RP is about characters and whilst engine fighting does decide the outcome of a lot of things, it exists as a tiny portion of the time we spend on RP servers and a player's OOC skills really don't mean much. The constant flexing of "I'm better than you!" or "They're underrated, they're terrible, grrr!" is just sad. I'm not speaking specifically about you but this is all just an unnecessary and moot point.

[matoflen]

Aug 2, 2019 7:49:31 GMT @captainjack said:

Aug 2, 2019 7:37:20 GMT matoflen said:

okay i know that you are playing a super devoted nationalist that doesn't care about anything and is here just because of his mental illness of wanting to kill everyone but think of it icly for a moment that a lot of these people are just regular people that were persuaded by Alladhar's vision to be free again

but he died and these people have families or goats or whatever the fuck they have and they maybe want to live rather that going suicidal like you?
and im glad that namira is making the calls cause you'd just end the scenario

Maybe you havent realized that my character is bluffing and threatening to scare them. He toys around with the prisoners. The only one he wants to kill is Artaozus because he betrayed fhem first day of the assault. Pay more attention to detail to what my char is doing, emotes and such. You clearly dont see that Askham is just a joker about -killing you all- meanwhile I gently put flav back in his cage as he continues to walk out, im literally smirking at people and telling them ill kill them to watch them be scared. Id you paid any attention to my emotes and talking youd know im not here to kill them all.

okay i didn't see single roleplay of yours throughout the whole even or even when you were captured so what the fuck are you talking about with your character being super CIA agent, trying to break mentality of the prisoners
simply deal with it icly, there's a reason why people disrespect your character and dont care about the super fear rp and 'i kill you' threats and they've chosen banshee to lead them rather than ur char

[herp]

Aug 2, 2019 3:31:23 GMT @fireraze said:

As the scene is paused nearly every defender who was wounded in this scene starts jumping off walls to get to a rowboat to get their asses out of the city, all of this OOC given that the scene was paused and that they were jumping off a 50ft high battlement onto rocks.

There is a way to get to the docks without jumping off a cliff? 

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Aug 2, 2019 8:20:23 GMT Chysis said:

Aug 2, 2019 7:43:21 GMT @captainjack said:

We got surkan we win easy surkan please carry us, surkan please win this. Dude 2v1 on Surkan and he is gone he is norhing in a teamfight. You might think he is the best player on the server but once he gets beat he bans them for autoblock.

Simply put: Surkan is a good player, in a 1v1 maybe, but once you have 2 people that dont have 100 hours in the game and you 2v1 him he is down. At the end of the assault we still had like 12 people left, including me out of all people in the front line. I dont think 1 Surkan with a bit of tin couldvd won that fight for you. Meanwhile you also got us surrounded at one point while I was being hit in the back. I still managed to escape because atleast 1 Aserai saw I needed help.

And if you think im dumb for saying this we can proof it.

The guy's blocking was robotic and was enormously above his other skills. There were telltale signs in the footage recorded and it looked like probable auto to me.

Arguing about how good a player is at the game is just childish and fruitless. He's good at all aspects of the game and has a fast playing style that kills people quickly. Good players that can kill quickly and multiblock with good footwork and awareness can genuinely change the course of a fight. It's not like you can just drop someone into any situation and automatically win but an aggressive tincan that knows what they're doing can be a huge problem in fights.

Either way, it just doesn't matter. RP is about characters and whilst engine fighting does decide the outcome of a lot of things, it exists as a tiny portion of the time we spend on RP servers and a player's OOC skills really don't mean much. The constant flexing of "I'm better than you!" or "They're underrated, they're terrible, grrr!" is just sad. I'm not speaking specifically about you but this is all just an unnecessary and moot point.

And I get that but thats not the point, Flav is saying if we had surkan we win the game GRRRr. Which is simply not true. Surkan is a fantastic player but 2 people fighting 1 he stands no chance. Atleast if those 2 arent people who dont know how to block. That is to anyone not just Surkan. I know he is one of the best out here but not good enough to change a course of a battle on his own.