Development in Progress

[saptor]

Greetings, great roleplayers of Krenn!

As you have noticed, the launch of the server is kinda delayed (not that a launch day was actually set). The main reason behind it is my ongoing development of the admin panel and adjusting the backend to a newer technology. A new panel will make a lot of stuff easier for admins and a adjusting the old code to new techonologies I am using will let me develop future functionalities easier and quicker. I would like to let you know that I am planning to make a language system as the first thing to add to my scripts, which will allow language speakers (such as Vaegir, Swadian etc.) to understand each other and deny others who don't understand the language from seeing the messages written in it. Books and notice boards will also have languages too, most likely.

I'm also doing all the changes for free in case you wondered.

Kind regards,

Developer Saptor Erdogansdottir

[seltan]

Sounds sick tbh. Can't wait to no longer have to care about he said she said situations on languages.

[Nejtro]

wait so if i am hiding in a room from guards and speak in *insert letter here* with my buddies guards wont notice we are there ye?

[peculiar buckberg]

Jul 6, 2020 18:57:59 GMT Nejtro said:

wait so if i am hiding in a room from guards and speak in *insert letter here* with my buddies guards wont notice we are there ye?

that's not how languages work

[Nejtro]

Jul 6, 2020 19:09:01 GMT peculiar buckberg said:

Jul 6, 2020 18:57:59 GMT Nejtro said:

wait so if i am hiding in a room from guards and speak in *insert letter here* with my buddies guards wont notice we are there ye?

that's not how languages work

I'm not asking about languages im asking baout the mechanical side of the script


"which will allow language speakers (such as Vaegir, Swadian etc.) to understand each other and deny others who don't understand the language from seeing the messages written in it."

I was asking if the message sent will not be seen

[robert mclowicz]

it will prob show something like "You can't understand this language"

[Deleted]

Jul 6, 2020 19:09:01 GMT peculiar buckberg said:

Jul 6, 2020 18:57:59 GMT Nejtro said:

wait so if i am hiding in a room from guards and speak in *insert letter here* with my buddies guards wont notice we are there ye?

that's not how languages work

if the message in a language not spoken by a character does not appear at all in local chat from their player's view then that might be the case
maybe a work-around could be that a message would appear such as '[Character] speaks [briefly/extensively] in [Language]' so that the observer knew something was being said, but an OOC understanding wouldn't affect IC matters
imo that'd cover the most bases, but even if your character doesn't speak the language and they hear names of other characters or settlements, your character would be intrigued at the very least. but most people can't draw the line between this intrigue and intentionally driving their characters to find out what they already OOCly know so they can act on it.
probably the best solution is to have that preset message which could describe the language, if not just name it, and the length of the message based on how many characters are in it.
(assuming this is all possible)

[peculiar buckberg]

Jul 6, 2020 19:19:31 GMT Nejtro said:

Jul 6, 2020 19:09:01 GMT peculiar buckberg said:

that's not how languages work

I'm not asking about languages im asking baout the mechanical side of the script


"which will allow language speakers (such as Vaegir, Swadian etc.) to understand each other and deny others who don't understand the language from seeing the messages written in it."

I was asking if the message sent will not be seen

i spoke to saptor a while ago about this and we conceptualized a sort of system where X character who does not speak Y language sees a bunch of gibberish whenever someone types in local chat but i'm unsure whether or not that is what saptor has in mind

[saptor]

Jul 6, 2020 19:19:31 GMT Nejtro said:

Jul 6, 2020 19:09:01 GMT peculiar buckberg said:

that's not how languages work

I'm not asking about languages im asking baout the mechanical side of the script


"which will allow language speakers (such as Vaegir, Swadian etc.) to understand each other and deny others who don't understand the language from seeing the messages written in it."

I was asking if the message sent will not be seen

It will be seen as something like "Something in Vaegir"

[Nejtro]

alright sounds good then

[fenix]

How will this affect if a chr is leaning a new language will there be levels of understanding to the script or a strick yes no system. (I understand you need to write a ticket for learning a new language.)

[bortslav]

Jul 6, 2020 20:29:11 GMT fenix said:

How will this affect if a chr is leaning a new language will there be levels of understanding to the script or a strick yes no system. (I understand you need to write a ticket for learning a new language.)

I imagine for simplicity's sake, if you vaguely understand a language it'll come down to rp. You roll to translate it, and that person gives you the relevant information based on said roll. Maybe Saptor's got a system for that worked out already though. If so, that'd be pretty amazing.

[Sir Kydric]

Jul 6, 2020 20:29:11 GMT fenix said:

How will this affect if a chr is leaning a new language will there be levels of understanding to the script or a strick yes no system. (I understand you need to write a ticket for learning a new language.)

The way I think of it would be that every character and new one especially will have Swadian understanding capabilities, aka can see IC chat when someone speaks in it, which is somehow set by a system character tick kinda like the horse tiers. So then staff would be able to edit out the known languages of the character to add in new and maybe even remove the common language understanding if the character knows only sarranid for an example.

Funny idea I have of this is, imagine if you'd be able to tick off ALL of the languages available for a character, if say they are deaf, so then maybe they'd not see anything apart from the usual says something in something, or if coded deeper can be. "can be seen moving his lips" without specifying a language.


Only few questions I have is how will a player be able to switch between what language they are speaking in. Will it be for example /s as a command for speaking sarranid?

Also how will a character that speaks Sarranid and Common be able to identify which of the two languages another character that also speaks Sarranid and Common is using?

[Gegetchk2]

How will you control this scripts while emoting?
I think u r making it to be something like /v for vaegir or other commands like that. What happens when /me emotion is followed by texts for example: /me smiles and says: V* .....

[Gwyl]

I assume, there will be certain in-game permissions that are going to be handed out to some people, accordingly. Two things worry me a bit though: 1) Since those players, the ones not able to use x language, aren't going to be able to see said language's texts, how can we be certain in any case that through those texts there's no passing of anykind of OOC meta and that sort, so said players can make a legit report for any rulebreak around that concept. 2) I assume that admins gotta be way more consistent with applying such a concept (in-game permissions, new rules, forums, etc), otherwise it'll obviously cause a lot of frustration over this.

It's a very nice concept though.